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    Finita La Commedia

    By Kyle | November 9, 2012

    I’m not normally given to hyperbole, but it’s all over for the Republican party as we know it and hence all over for the United States of America as we know it. The Reagan period now looks like a blip. Only once has a Republican presidential candidate won the popular vote in 24 years.

    We’ve lost when we were the incumbent party and the economy was perceived to be doing badly; we’ve lost when we were the challenger party when the economy was doing even worse.

    In future, our elections will be like those in Britain or New York. We will be presented with a choice between a statist liberal and an out-there uber-liberal. And with the uber-liberal enjoying the full backing of the media and Hollywood, it’ll by no means be an easy win for the ordinary Mike Bloomberg or David Cameron-style liberal, who will be portrayed as a heartless plutocrat if he happens to come from money, or as a hopeless rube if he happens to come from nowhere.

    Liberalism multiplies and reinforces its own mistakes. As liberalism’s failures pile up, they will inevitably inspire more liberalism as solutions. As Jason Riley of the Wall Street Journal points out, blacks have not only suffered in absolute terms under Barack Obama, with unemployment rising and incomes declining, but they have suffered relative to whites, with the gap between white unemployment and black unemployment actually widening. Recognizing all this causes the black voter not to take an interest in the mighty wealth and job-creating abilities of the free market, but to wish even more fervently for more government programs to alleviate the pain. Today 95 percent of blacks, it appears, believe the federal government should provide them with a job if they are otherwise unable to secure one. (At least that’s how I read this NAACP press release, but it’s vague.) Calling for the federal government to serve as the employer of last resort strikes me as a pretty radical idea, but just as yesterday’s luxuries become today’s necessities, yesterday’s radicalism is today’s progressivism is tomorrow’s legislation.

    To take merely one measure of the catastrophe: The Supreme Court is now permanently liberal. Roe v. Wade will never be overturned, a right to have your gay marriage recognized in every state will be discovered in the due process clause, and so on, but these are relatively minor issues. The progressive project can never be satisfied, so the Supreme Court will start behaving like courts in places like New Jersey and New York, where completely routine questions of budgeting and hiring get yanked out of voters’ hands and resolved to the satisfaction of liberal judges. The federal courts will fill up with Harvard Law School-type professors who will pour gasoline on the fire of liberal legislation, but if legislation stalls the bench will simply grant liberal presidents the power to do whatever they want with no input from Congress. If somehow a conservative policy slips through, judges will reverse it. No dispute will ever be over until the left has won. Just as a for instance: After George Zimmerman walks, there will be riots and he will then be railroaded on federal civil rights charges. The school choice movement will be killed off as “draining resources from public education,” which really means it harms a core Democratic interest group, the teachers’ unions. The simple matter of requiring voters to supply I.D. will be forbidden, not because it doesn’t make sense, the voters don’t want it or because it’s unconstitutional, but because it harms Democratic party interests. The two parties will fall all over each other in their efforts to mollify illegal immigrants. The new health-care entitlement will become increasingly onerous and costly, with all discussion limited to how best to “save” it, until one day employers’ efforts to work around it cause a frustrated government to convert it to a full-on single-payer Socialist scheme.

    I didn’t expect this would ever happen to my country, and certainly not so fast, but we are now a decadent European social welfare state, sure to be accompanied by European levels of economic stagnation, taxation, welfare rolls, unemployment and perpetually misallocated resources such as subsidies to favored companies. Military irrelevance will soon follow as the staggering costs of the cradle-to-grave socialist state grow exponentially. Iran will soon have nuclear capability, to be followed in short order by its Middle Eastern neighbors, folllowed shortly by widespread proliferation of nuclear arms to terrorist groups.

    I do not think Americans fully educated by the media on the pros and cons would have voted to turn into declinist Britain (where even working class people pay 40 percent income tax and where thanks in part to hidden value-added taxes everything costs double what it does here, except gasoline which costs triple). But Americans have chosen to allow themselves to be fooled by irrelevant chatter about caring or birth control or the DREAM act or gay marriage or “investing in our children” or whatever shibboleths were necessary to cover up the fact that we’re taking in $2.5 trillion while spending $3.6 trillion, with millions of Baby Boomers set to retire and all forms of entitlement spending set to skyrocket. The president has said repeatedly that middle class taxes won’t have to go up to pay for all this government, but even at the level of government we have today, this is a gigantic lie. And today’s government is tiny compared to what it’ll be in a decade.

    There is no good news. Yesterday was a dark day in American history. As dark as I’ve ever seen.

    UPDATE: Do not despair, says Jonah Goldberg. I say no, go ahead. Though I do agree that we must “work in despair,” in accordance with the Burkean injunction. Meaning: anti-Obama books are going to continue to sell. Maybe I’ll do one myself.

    UPDATE TO THE UPDATE: Jonah Goldberg is taking another look, and thinks despair isn’t such a bad option after all. He says, “I proceeded to write this column on the Europeanizing tide in America that Obama rode to victory. It’s upbeat in the same way Schindler’s List was a feel-good romp of a comedy.”

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    113 Responses to “Finita La Commedia”

    1. Hedge Says:
      November 7th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

      I think it’s over, we can kiss the Republic goodbye. The moochers (Romney’s 47%, teachers, govt employees of all levels, unions, welfare recipients and anyone not producing wealth in this country) have discovered they can vote themselves anything they like. Get ready for long lines to talk to your Indian doctor.

      I had a meeting with employees today and told them I am selling my business 15 years before I planned to and for probably less than it was worth on Monday. I could foresee myself having the coronary at my desk having to deal with skyrocketing energy costs, mind-boggling regulation, and an inability to attract employees for anywhere near the production value they bring.

      From now on, America will be no more than mediocre on the world stage, even if we can somehow maintain our own currency. Adios amigos

      America–rewarding failure since 1933.

    2. K Says:
      November 7th, 2012 at 5:51 pm

      Reminds me of one those movies where all is lost, then the protagonists find some hidden resource which saves the day. Like a bunch of amphibious underwater Jamaicans or cadres of youthful energetic Ron Paul supporters - who ask that they turn away from the Neo-con darkside and embrace teh freedom.

    3. SK Says:
      November 7th, 2012 at 7:34 pm

      I agree! We had a dark day at the state level in California too.

    4. Ed Hulse Says:
      November 7th, 2012 at 8:28 pm

      Excellent column, Kyle. I couldn’t agree more.

    5. Ahellofaniceguy Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 6:19 am

      You’ve really hit the nail on the head, great article! However, I think you’ve overlooked the coming zombie outbreak that is now nearly certain to follow. Uber-leftist animal activists breaking into private corporations unleashing a plague of rage virus. The same thing happened in Britain about 10 years ago, just watch the absolutely terrifying documentary 28 days latter.

    6. Sherlock Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 7:46 am

      What could be more important to two people who love each other and want to spend their lives together than to have America’s federal government, through official bureaucratic processes and hence in some vague, attenuated, abstract, disembodied, impersonal and unintentional sense verify or certify their love, governmentally? What’s $16 trillion dollars of debt when compared to that?

    7. Murray B Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:04 am

      Kyle, give me a call when you get a chance.

      Murray B Brandford ‘89

      860-377-2535

    8. M. Report Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:07 am

      ‘Draw the curtain; The Farce is over.’
      Stay tuned, the Tragedy will begin soon.

    9. Rusty Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:11 am

      There is a way to save at least part of the republic. We must “reverse secede” where the “red” states kick the blue states out of the union, letting them go and form their own Socialist States. It is the red states that are true to the Constitution, the Pledge of Allegiance, etc, and so the red states get to keep those things. The blue states can come up with their own whacked form of government.

      This change could even be peacefully arranged, allowing a period of time where folks could change where they live. However, after the period of adjustment, nobody from the blue states could ever move back to red states, lest they bring their idiotic ideas with them.

      I say all this while I live (unfortunately) in a blue state, although I am looking to move to a red state.

      Rusty

    10. Cris Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:15 am

      Keep your powder dry.

    11. Ann in L.A. Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:16 am

      That assumes the Greek-style crash is far in the future. I think, the way the Dems at every level of government is going about it, the crash is just around the corner.

      What will come out of it, though?

    12. Jakegint Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:18 am

      Outstanding. Ironically, I am somewhat heartened that this was written by a Yale graduate somewhat close to my age. Who knew there existed such a model?

      Perhaps we will meet one day after we’ve all funnelled down to the Republic of Tejas. The Patron will be on me.

      Best to you.

    13. John Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:24 am

      But for the grace of God…

    14. Ken G Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:30 am

      Though I wish I could disagree with your analysis, I can’t, really. It’s barely two days after the election, and Harry Reid is scheming to “modify” the filibuster in the Senate to reduce the Republicans ability to slow things down. There’s already talk of a new carbon tax, and the demographics of Obama’s victory (minorities+women) basically means that our society’s vicious crusade to stigmatize and disempower men of European descent, and to thrust away all vestiges of western civilization will continue without pause.

      It is a dark, dark day for the last great Republic.

      About the only hopes for a bright spot in today’s world would be a red-state secession, and I don’t see that as likely.

    15. David Gillies Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:31 am

      You think the US is going to end up like the UK? That’s a pretty optimistic take. If you’re lucky you’ll turn into Greece. More realistically, Venezuela is the template.

    16. RDG Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:33 am

      Great writing Kyle. I decided to bookmark your site. You can either go Galt or join these democreeps, but you can no longer fight them. Nov. 6 was like the owners of a football team deciding not only to keep the coach on but increase his pay after four seasons of 1 and 15. You can’t support a team like that.

    17. Masturbatin' Pete Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:35 am

      Only once has a Republican presidential candidate won the popular vote in 24 years.

      It’s worse than that: the GOP candidate hasn’t won the popular vote against a candidate who wasn’t from Massachusetts in 28 years, and hasn’t won the popular vote against a candidate who wasn’t from a state that starts with an “M” in 40 years.

    18. Kyle Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:47 am

      Georgia starts with M?

    19. Tim in Cleveland Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:50 am

      Regarding your George Zimmerman scenario: assuming your prediction turns out to be correct and a federal case is brought against him, there will be no double jeopardy problems. Not because of a Democratic agenda, but because the “dual sovereignty” doctrine. The Supreme Court held long ago (United States v. Lanza, I believe) that a federal prosecution after a state prosecution does not violate the double jeopardy clause.

      I believe the U.S. Attorney, however, has a policy not to initiate prosecutions after a state prosecution based on the same facts.

    20. HeatherRadish Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:58 am

      We won’t turn into Greece: the Greek government doesn’t even keep statistics on the racial makeup of its citizens, much less actively pit its assorted ethnic groups against each other.

      We’ll turn into Zimbabwe.

    21. Jeffersonian Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:59 am

      I hate to say it, but I’m largely of this mind. The looter class has metastasized, and now can plunder at will. Every failure will be resolved by doubling down on what caused the failure to begin with. The search for the guilty will yield the usual suspects: Those that have opposed the plunder state all along.

      We’re living in Atlas Shrugged.

    22. Squid Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 10:27 am

      If you think the Leftist herds will riot over a Zimmerman verdict, just wait ’til you see what they do the day after the State runs out of Other People’s Money, and their “free stuff” EBT cards stop working. Do yourself a favor, and be well outside any metropolitan area that week.

      The Gods of the Copybook Headings really don’t care about our elections. Neither the results nor the reasons why will sway them one bit.

    23. Robert Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 10:32 am

      This didn’t happen “suddenly.” The progressives have been working on this project for 100+ years. Wilson’s administration was the first real inflection point, followed by the New Deal (Roosevelt) and Great Society (Johnson).

      Absent a second revolution, we have to reclaim the Republic the same way they stole it. Relentless pressure at all levels, for the rest of our lives and those of our kids and grandkids.

      Here’s one place to begin: local school curricula. For the time being, forget about driving out bad teachers. Instead, put all your efforts into fixing the curricula to restore civics, moral values, and a correct history of the country.

      This can be done on local and state levels — and it’s wide open to community and parental pressure. (And keep the pressure on as progresssives try to erase the changes.)

      This will start the cultural change that’s needed.

    24. DLM Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 10:56 am

      Time in Cleveland, the fact that the SCOTUS has upheld the dual sovereignty doctrine is indicative of the problem. there’s no way they should ever have supported such a doctrine in the first place.

    25. Willys Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 10:57 am

      Listening to a morning news talk show I keeping hearing a participant say, ‘But there’s Republicans in the House’, like that’s going to make everything okay. Uhh, what good have those Republicans been so far? Maybe hold some hearings? Then what? Run for re-election?

      What is a Republican controlled H/Reps going to do for U.S. treaties with the U.N.? What is a Rep… going to do about SCOTUS appointments? Hasn’t anyone seen the reality of the groundwork laid the recent four years? Being a Republican has just become, well, useless.

      And Trumpka says, ‘Forget about the law…’

    26. DH Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 10:59 am

      Even today, there aren’t enough looters and moochers in the country to account for Obama’s vote total. And wringing your hands saying “we’re screwed” is no way to go through life. In my view, the question this election poses to the Republican party is: Do you want to be the pro-freedom, limited government party or not?

      For example, there are suburbanites who are sympathetic to a message of fiscal responsibility, but who are turned off by the anti-abortion platform, which the left demagogues into a “war on women”. Why not drop it from the platform, especially since there is zero chance of the legality of abortion changing in the foreseeable future?

      Or take immigration, where Republican positions cost them big with a growing hispanic population. A liberal immigration policy is a pro-freedom one. It is a nationalist, collectivist notion that jobs in America “belong” to Americans. From the perspective of individual rights and capitalism, employment arrangements are no one’s business but the employer’s and the worker’s.

      These are just two examples. I can think of more. Rather than just saying, “MSM bias sunk us,” or “Romney should have attacked on Benghazi,” or whatever, Republicans should use the post-election period to take a step back from “marketing” issues and ask themselves whether the product they are selling can be improved.

      Much of the post-election analysis on the right speaks of living in Atlas Shrugged and “going Galt”. How about instead of going Galt, we use Ayn Rand’s ideas to fight back? There is some really good stuff coming out of the Ayn Rand Institute these days, including a new book titled, “Free Market Revolution: How Ayn Rand’s Ideas Can End Big Government” (http://www.amazon.com/dp/0230341691).

    27. Beth Donovan Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 11:04 am

      Never give up.

    28. Beth Donovan Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 11:08 am

      Oh, and it’s too late to change school curricula - it is being federally mandated. I’m on a school board, it’s hopeless. We are there to rubber stamp the State which rubber stamps the feds.
      Home schooling and private schools are our only hope.

    29. glenn Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 11:10 am

      Just one thing guys. Parasites need a host to survive. No host no leeches.

    30. Dave Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 11:11 am

      Squid is right. Willard Mitt Romney cannot win with 48% of the vote, but Cold Hard Reality can win with 0% of the vote.

    31. forrest Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 11:43 am

      This sounds about right, except that overturning Roe Vs. Wade is a loser. As for abortion, it’s going to have to be a compromise, something like you can have one in the first trimester but then only for severe medical reasons after that. Simply put, conservatives lose badly on anti-abortion platforms because it’s an anti-freedom stance.

    32. Union Jack Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 11:43 am

      u galts & strangeloves see the future but karl m’s dream final chapter long ways off—empire stil in tact

      no love for obomber but many victories for the proles on tues

      ohio prole palefaces rejected vulture kapitalist, not so fast maybe to buy the nixon-agnew-reagan-atwater race con when money & jobs slipping away

      blacks chicanos stood in line to put their scare in the pluto’s

      women–’keep hands/laws off my body’

      natives gettin restless

    33. JoeTarzan Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 11:59 am

      It is far from over. Secession is the way out. If the red states secede they will have a strong currency and have renounced the crushing debt of America. It could ally with China to make sure the blue states pay it back therefore teaching them the lesson of what debt means and its responsibility. I live in NY but I can move and come back to reinvigorate this. The exchange of populations from those who understand America and wish its progress and those who want to eat from the inside is a fair and just solution. I will move away and they will take my place. This can be done. It will take less to create a real currency than it will be comply with Obamacare. I am a secessionist. I am free.

    34. gracepmc Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 11:59 am

      Immigrants __ the illegal ones–do not want to assimilate. Our government will give them more for free than their homeland. These people can be bought. The immigrants of today are takers.

    35. Dantes Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

      Obama and the democrats have successfully created a permanent ward of the state voting block. They won’t give it up. Meanwhile, more and more resources will be taken from the producers.

      Expect to see nationalization of private pension funds before Obama’s term is up…there’s something like 15 trillion dollars of private property sitting in those accounts…Obama and the Democrats will steal it to be sure.

      Monetary collapse is inevitable. The Obamabots will have to learn the lesson personally…unfortunately, they drag us down with them.

    36. dave Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

      #31 Forest - Anti-abortion = anti-freedom only if you think the child is not a life. Forget religion. There is a perfectly sane Libertarian case to be made against abortion if you believe that the child is alive and entitled to the same basic freedoms as the rest of us.

    37. Mr. Lion Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

      We lost when three million Republicans stayed home and didn’t vote. We lost when hundreds of thousands more single issue voters stayed home because Romney wasn’t Reagan incarnate.

      So right now we’re pretty screwed.

      And the ethos here is: Okay, give up. Don’t hold the Republican house to account and see that they don’t let a single piece of nonsense slide through– e.g. the reason they’re there. Don’t support the Tea Party in tossing out the rest of the useless Republican establishment that thinks MORE moderation is key. Nope, just go home and sulk.

      Nonsense.

      1) This can all be reversed with a majority house, senate and presidency.

      2) That won’t happen via a third party, ever, in any of our lifetimes.

      3) Given 2, the only reasonable course of action is to fix the Republican party, not abandon it. Toss out the RINOs. Toss out the analysts. Get people who can articulate conservative ideology and hammer the bad guys non-stop.

      Not voting has consequences. Being an idealist has consequences. Those consequences will become apparent in the next four years.

    38. Christopher Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 1:20 pm

      –There is a way to save at least part of the republic. We must “reverse secede” where the “red” states kick the blue states out of the union, letting them go and form their own Socialist States.–

      Rusty– You might want to take a quick look at the 1) economic output of red states versus blue ones and 2) the levels of governmental assistance in red states versus blue ones. Your precious red states, if a country, would be a pathetic third world backwater dependent on their much richer, better educated, and more industrious neighbor.

      This is not to say that everyone should have voted for Obama (I myself didn’t), but the notion that the red states are somehow the sources of hard-earned wealth, industry, and good old fashioned morality is so demonstrably false as to be beyond absurd. And beyond the fact that the blue states create almost all the wealth in this country, they have far lower rates of divorce, teen pregnancy, and a host of other social ills.

      So please do leave. This blue state occupant would be thrilled to have you lazy, gov’t teat-sucking bastards off our backs.

    39. CHristopher Ekstrom Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

      When I witnessed the GOP national Chairman reduced to sputtering inchoherence by Chris Matthews it summed up the Stupid Party. The nasty, but hardly withering, emanations from Matthews of RACISM could easily be refuted by an average High School student. The sputtering inability of no less a political animal than the GOP frontman revealed the truth: Priebus may actually agree with Matthews in his heart of hearts. No democrat suffers such primal doubts. In the UK & now the USA we have witnessed “conservative” campaigns sans Conservatism. Davey Boy got the coalition I believe he wanted; Mitt (not unlike Barack the name alone should disqualify one from elective politics) did not. That is in itself good. Either a “Goldwater moment” ensues or Kyle is correct. Four more squalid years will ensue; I hope the little darlings that represent “single woman” earning over $100K will enjoy their new taxes. Reap the whirlwind.

    40. Union Jack Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

      mr Christopher comment 38 correct

      reds suck much more from fed govt tit than blues

      redstate mini state w/out blue mothers milk would collapse —be joad family in weeks

      2 amerikas—blue rich urban global finance kapitalist + tech plutocrat+corporatemedia+hollywood

      & red rural suthun/midwest low wage agri and cheap stoop labor for blues

      mr chris is right: red ministate would collapse starve

    41. SK Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

      No. 31, forrest–Overturning Roe v. Wade just sends the abortion issue back to the states to decide. States like New York would have permissive abortion laws, while other states would have more restrictions.

    42. Union Jack Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

      secession talk is beautiful tho.

      i can warm to breaking up the empire from within

      most of the wretched of the earth/jesus’s least of these might like it too

    43. teapartydoc Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

      #38 and #40: Can you two geniuses explain to me why the red states are not in danger of default like many blue states are and somehow they are sucking at the teat of the blue states that are going broke? Because if it is because we are getting any subsidy, I’m sure we could give it up in exchange for not having to put our share into the federal pot.

    44. Zazaz Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

      Wow…my thoughts exactly. I think this election was the last chance to prevent a currency crisis and a meltdown of the dollar, with all the pains that follow from that. And if that happens, people will still not turn back toward conservative values - look at greece, where the only party seriously standing for free marked solutions got 3% in the elections.

    45. Not2Shr Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

      #26 DH-After reading your analysis and recommendations, think maybe I’ll just join the Dems. It would be more intellectually honest. I think the reason the Dems do so well is that their constituency doesn’t give a crap about Amerika and the representatives they elect are hard core loons and progressives. Who on the so-called right can compare ideologically with the likes of Alan Grayson, Sheila Jackson Lee, or Dick Durbin? How do you sell your soul for power and still be able to meet the basic oath of office?

    46. MarkJ Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 5:47 pm

      Stand by for some hot blue-on-blue action next year when Democrat voters suddenly discover that Obama is sodomizing their wallets fast, hard, unprotected, and most definitely unlubricated.

      And when my Donk FaceBook friends start whining about their tax bills, I’m going to tell them “You voted twice for Jug-Head and you got exactly what you wanted. So STFU, grab your ankles, and think about a happy place.”

    47. Union Jack Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

      mr teabag

      reds run surpluses of fed $$$$$$

      keeps reds afloat

      pull fed plug, reds collapse, maybe revolt

      all for the revolt, but blues sure to keep crackers pacified with military keynes jobs, road pavers, shovel-it jobs, medicaid food stamps

      take crackers’ welfare queen status away, out come Christian soldiers w/pitchforks

      all for the pitchforks

    48. Union Jack Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

      mr tea bag

      don’t get me wrong

      love me the teabaggers

      amerika’s euro social democrats

      a bagger will kill a pol before letting pol cut bagger’s medicare

    49. Union Jack Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

      and soc security

      angry baggers last line of defense against medicare cuts on obomber’s bowels-homer simpson plot. angry baggers will rise up like good french strikers

    50. MJN Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

      Spot on. And I love hyperbole but it would be very difficult to be hyperbolic about the doom that awaits us.

      And I’m a conservative Christian, so I’m going to be one of the first heading into Room 101 to get fitted for a rat mask!

    51. ManxJack Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 6:29 pm

      In 1978, I came from Britain to live and work in America, precisely in order to escape from the all-consuming Socialist nanny state that was already entrenched over there. And, not at all to my surprise, I loved the America that I found.
      Now, as you say Kyle, America is becoming the same as the Britain that I left. I’m too old to fight against it any more. I hung on for Obama’s first four years, clinging to the hope that he’d now begin packing his bags.
      But he is staying, so I am going. Not back to Britain, of course. Years ago I invested in a modest vacation home in a very orderly tax haven, where there is some hope that I’ll be able to die decently instead of as a pauper.
      I’m sorry. But I can’t take any more of this.

    52. Christopher Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 6:35 pm

      teapartydoc– enjoy: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2690371/posts

      There are plenty of other sources for this data. Other than Texas, every single state paying more in taxes to the federal gov’t than it gets back is a blue state. Of the ten states taking the most compared to what they pay, only Virginia isn’t blue.

      Happy to lose this burden. Of course that losing all you fatties down south will do wonders for our health care costs too! Bye, bye!

    53. LizardLips Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 6:38 pm

      I have to admit my optimism level is running dangerously low and I have nightmares of federal employees of every conceivable agency turning zombie-like and invading my house, raping and pillaging. Perhaps what we need a natural disaster of incomprehensible proportions(preferably in DC and at a most inopportune time)to alter the federal equation and bring balance to the force. “Help us Obi-Wan, you’re our only hope.”

    54. Jenny Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

      Don’t forget to include so called “wealth producers” like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Jeff Immelt of GE, and so many others, who are hooked on corporate welfare, and subsidies for their cheap foreign labor, they demand be imported into the US, and the taxpayer give free housing, free food, free healthcare and no end of subsidies to, so they can pay them less. I really wanted Romney to point out that GE, and it’s refusal to pay taxes and it’s outsourcing made it a part of the 47%, but perhaps because the US Chamber of Commerce, another welfare queen whose lips are permanently attached to Obama’s Marxist backside, had started contributing to the GOP again to discourage any fighting against open borders, exploitation of our visa programs and the outsourcing of jobs. The outsourcers crowd got addicted to subsidies from communist/socialist governments like China, and now demand the same from the US. Clinton and Obama made that possible.

    55. Chas. Flicker Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

      This is exactly what I’ve been feeling and thinking for a long time. Thanks for putting it so well. And giving me permission to grieve.

    56. Bruce Fancher Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

      C’mon. We’re down, but we’re not finished yet. We’ve come back from worse. The &$@# is going to hit the fan in the next few years, and when it does, we may just be able to get enough people to finally open their eyes and see that the Democrats are to blame for it to cobble together a majority in the next couple of elections and pass enough reforms to get things back on the right track. The problem isn’t that a majority of voters are content to simply live off the state. The problem is that a majority of voters don’t appreciate just how precarious a position we’re in and how painful it’s going to be when we finally hit the wall.

    57. Juan Rosas Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

      Looks a bit like the moochers live in the Red states, eh? How come the Bush tax cuts haven’t revved up the economy for the last decade? Are all the “job creators” trying to shake down the Republic for more givebacks? Did you all forget where the deficit came from? Yikes, how delusional can you get?

    58. Rick Caird Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

      The only way you lose that Christopher is to abandon the progressive tax code because that is why the Blue states pay more. What a horror for you.

    59. adsfsaf Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

      stop this.
      We survived Roosevelt, we will survive this.

    60. Peggy Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

      I can’t buy into all the talk about reaching out and educating the voters. “If only Romney had made the case for…” It wouldn’t have worked. It hasn’t worked yet and it won’t work. Republicans have been saying this for a long time. The conservative web media have been educating away for years. But most people still decide their vote based on how how they “feel” about the candidates. There is no rocket science here. Millions of Obama voters decided that Obama is a fine fellow and that they just didn’t like Romney. Simple. I remember reading a quote from a McCain voter who said she wasn’t going to vote for Romney because of how he looked. She decided that she didn’t trust him because of his appearance.

      What Republicans need to do is play the same game as the Democrats and just as ruthlessly enact their real agenda once the bulk of your average voters have decided that our candidates are more likable. Then when the voters complain, pass the blame and do it all over again the next cycle. They will never believe bad things about someone who appears to be a really nice person.

    61. K Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

      My congratulations to whomever wrote the troll program “Union Jack”. It comes close but doesn’t actually pass the turning test. Better luck next time.

    62. CHNYC Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

      No.

      Romney was a horrible candidate. He did not contradict Obama’s assertion that the past 4 years were Bush II’s fault.

      The House is still at post-Tea Party tsunami levels for the GOP and that is the closest chamber to the people, including the White House which is determined by electoral votes.

      And Reagan’s tax levels have become permanent. Even Obama is proposing taxes lower than Reagan’s even if you raise capital gains and the top marginal rate to 39.6%.

    63. Obama bin Biden Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

      We crossed the treshold to being a nation of takers not makers.

      Goodbye, Amerika.

      Thanks for the memories!

    64. Peggy Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 11:35 pm

      Just thought of a good way to state the problem.

      The Republicans gave stupid people too much credit.

      The solution?

      Realize that smart people will self-educate and that stupid people like that McCain voter can’t be educated. So do what the Democrats do. Manipulate the hell out of the stupid ones.

      BTW, I didn’t used to be so cynical but this Election learned me good.

    65. mac Says:
      November 8th, 2012 at 11:54 pm

      Christopher,

      The laziest, most stupid and most attitudinal employees I ever worked with were from blue states. People from red states know how to work. People from blue ones…I’d never hire any again. I’m ready for the split and would be damned glad to see it. I’d just hope we could shoot you worthless blue bastards when you came across our borders looking for handouts after your collapse. Screw you and your socialist thievery.

    66. Kyle Says:
      November 9th, 2012 at 12:33 am

      I’ve known Christopher for 20 years and he’s a libertarian, far from a Socialist. Let’s not be wasting ammo on our friends from the Right. We may need it someday. (Joking, my liberal friends, joking. Lighten up.)

    67. steve thill Says:
      November 9th, 2012 at 8:46 am

      The Social Contract was broken in 2007 with the bankruptcy of FNMA/FMAC. When I saw the headline and told my mother (now gone to her reward) she said so what because she really did’nt understand that the end was near. Most people didn’t either. This election WAS our last best hope to save our Republic. As BF said, WE gave you a Republic, if you can keep it.

    68. Esau's Message Says:
      November 9th, 2012 at 10:33 am

      Kyle is largely right in all this doom and gloom. Republicans will no longer be elected to swing state or national office, except to prune and primp the social democracy. This is simply not a pleasing prospect for any actual conservatives in the GOP.

      And Jonah Goldberg is a fool. We don’t need his pep talks, his criticisms of the GOP ground game or Mitt Romney, or his analyses of demographics or polling. Conservatism has grown old, stale, tired, worn out and electorally unappealing.

      Unless it’s re-imagined, it cannot win and will become a boutique a philosophical cul de sac like Stoicism or Libertarianism.

    69. Christopher Says:
      November 9th, 2012 at 10:58 am

      Mac– As I said, I didn’t vote for Obama. I voted for Gary Johnson. Maybe you consider him a socialist as well. And as for your experience with a limited number of employees giving you confidence that “people from red states know how to work,” the plural of anecdote, as they say, is not data.

      Secede away. Hell, I’d be happy with just the northeast corridor (minus DC), California, and Washington state in my new union!

      Free free to shoot me when I cross IF I try to cross your border. My guess is that you’ll need to aim those guns the other way to keep your inmates from being able to leave.

    70. yankeefan Says:
      November 9th, 2012 at 11:11 am

      @Mac. You appear not only immune to Christopher’s evidence, but also to his essential point. Why on earth would we “blue bastards” cross your imaginary borders looking for handouts? You have no money to give. And what money you might have to spare comes from a surplus of federal dollars that we “blue bastards” gave to you in the first place!

      If anything, Christopher and I would be asking for a rebate.

    71. yankeefan Says:
      November 9th, 2012 at 11:12 am

      By the way, what drama queens.

      If your faith in America is so easily shattered, one wonders how strong it was in the first place.

    72. BrianC Says:
      November 9th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

      Romney lost because the GOP can’t bring itself to tap into the seething anger in white America. Romney was in the position to bridge the gap between the tea party type supporter and country club Republican. Until the GOP is willing to step into the very visceral level of politics, it is not going to reach these emotional voters.

    73. Yankeefan Says:
      November 9th, 2012 at 5:39 pm

      “Tap into the seething anger in white America.”

      Now THERE’S a winning strategy for the 21st century GOP.

    74. Kyle Says:
      November 9th, 2012 at 8:25 pm

      ??? Confused. I though dissent was the highest form of patriotism?

    75. Yankeefan Says:
      November 9th, 2012 at 8:50 pm

      Ah, it’s love of country being expressed here. How could I possibly have misunderstood? My bad. Perhaps it was the secessionists who threw me.

    76. BrianC Says:
      November 9th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

      @yankeefan Romney could play the role of the godfather to the GOP if he would listen to the emotional voter and validate their feelings. He would perform a huge service to the Republic. But he is probably ill equipped for this.

    77. Jack Murphy Says:
      November 10th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

      I’d love to hear a single rational response from the conservatives to #57 or #70 on this comments list. Or will you just plug your ears so your can hear that paranoid schizophrenic that lives behind your eyes a little better? Honestly guys, gluing yourself to the right wing media is making you all crazy!

    78. Christopher Says:
      November 11th, 2012 at 12:46 am

      Just to be clear, I don’t think that conservatives have any responsibility to respond to 57 or 70. My early point was not that conservatives were wrong to be unhappy with the result of the election or are wrong to think that red states voted the right way. Of course they’re not. My point is that the idiots who think red states are some kind of free market utopia full of Randian go-getters who would flourish if just left on their own are crazy. This just doesn’t mesh with the facts.

      Look, there are plenty of smart hard-working people in states in which over 50% went for Obama and in states in which more people voted for Romney. The division by states is really meaningful for purposes of the electoral college, but tells us little about any given individual in those states.

    79. Dan Says:
      November 11th, 2012 at 1:21 am

      Drop abortion from the party platform, now.

      The Dems, when they were getting their arses handed to them, had to finally let go of gun control, anti welfare reform and opposition to the death penalty. It killed them to do so, but they felt these issues were destroying their electability.

      Dump the abortion issue, tomorrow. Demand immigration reform with Americanization requirements and leave it at that.

      Time to grow up and change with the times, drop some of the pet issues, retool the arguments and start fighting.

      The GOP establishment needs to be killed off. The Tea Party came into being because of corporate bailouts and cronyism.

      Why are we not occupying that ground and fighting for the little guy?

      Time for a new paradigm folks.

    80. kishke Says:
      November 11th, 2012 at 9:55 am

      Not that I think secession is a good idea, but what’s being overlooked is that the red states make disproportionate contributions in important areas other than financial. Two that come to mind are the military and food production.

    81. Ray C. Says:
      November 11th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

      It’s darkest before the dawn. We’ve been here before as a nation, 3 times in the past actually. I found “The Fourth Turning” by Neil Howe to be an inspiring, albeit sobering, roadmap for understanding today’s economic and political dilemma.

    82. Union Jack Says:
      November 11th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

      kish,

      food production subsidized

      military = keynes jobs

      blue state plutocrats happy to send money to reds to keep the peace and keep stoop labor

      also blue pluto’s think reds are too dumb for Friedman’s flat world contest

      better to give dumb red kids toy guns to shoot oil field rag heads.

      i say—aim toy guns at the pluto’s

    83. kishke Says:
      November 11th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

      Subsidized or not, it’s where most of the food is produced. Food that is needed by the blue states, which they do not and cannot produce alone.

    84. Christopher Says:
      November 12th, 2012 at 9:19 am

      kishke- What’s your point here? Yes, food is produced in a number of states in which over 50% of the people voted for Romney. And yes, US agriculture is heavily subsidized. These producers are being paid MORE than the market value of their product (or in some cases paid NOT to produce, so they don’t screw themselves further by driving down the prices of their own goods). What do you think would happen if the red states seceded and formed their own country that would then trade with their much richer neighbor (the former blue states, or Canada, or hell, probably Mexico)? Do you think the former blue states would continue to pay extra for this food? Do you have the most basic understanding of economics and international politics? Don’t be silly.

    85. Union Jack Says:
      November 12th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

      kish

      food production socialized

      military jobs socialized

      leave red states to tebaggery, global finance kapital, it’s joad time, then pale face revolt

    86. Comeandtakeit Says:
      November 12th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

      Kyle, this is exactly how I felt on November 7th but could not put it down as eloquently as you did here. I have one warning for those of you who think the minority of conservatives in the house (and getting smaller – thanks to the boneheads of Florida’s 22nd congressional district) will save us. Just like the protesters in Iran were run down and killed in the streets, they are alone in this new era where the media could not care less about corruption and scandals because it doesn’t benefit the Democratic Party.
      So Called “Conservatives” like William Kristol are even throwing up the white flag. With friends like him how does someone like Trey Gowdy survive.
      We are becoming more like a two-bit dictator run 3rd world country. Disagree? Just look at areas of Ohio and PA that voted for Obama at 99%; Saddam Hussein didn’t get that much of a majority. Unfortunately the consequences are not going to be as “easy” as going down toilet toward the path of European socialist societies. There will be blood in this country – and being prepared for it now may make the transition – following another civil war – more close to what the founders originally intended.

    87. kishke Says:
      November 12th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

      @Christopher: My point is that even if red states take in more in taxes than the blue states, they are an integral and necessary part of the country, which should not be told to get lost, as you did.

    88. Union Jack Says:
      November 12th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

      mr cometakeit

      founders intended white landowners franchise —no one wants to go back to that ‘cept fantasyland tenured pale faces. USA(tm) too many hues now, incoming migrants dont buy founder myths. slave state crackers never did god bless em

      no blood no civil war coming. capitalists always just smart enough to buy off pitchforks with redistribution—just enough crumbs anyway

      kristol no conservative(tm). radical dual loyalty zionic. good USA(tm) rednecks wont shed southern book of revelation blood for that creep anymore—-learned lesson in saddam no-wmd quicksand

      god bless rebel yell rednecks—wont get fooled again

    89. Kyle Says:
      November 12th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

      Well, Kishke, Christopher was somewhat mischievously telling the red-state secessionists that if anything, it would be good riddance if that happened. He wasn’t the one who seriously brought up the prospect of secession. I think Christopher probably agrees with me that this great big American family ain’t breaking up, so we’ll have to proceed from there.

    90. kishke Says:
      November 12th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

      @Kyle: True, Christopher did not bring secession up, but he did say:

      This blue state occupant would be thrilled to have you lazy, gov’t teat-sucking bastards off our backs.

      And this:

      Happy to lose this burden. Of course that losing all you fatties down south will do wonders for our health care costs too! Bye, bye!

      It sounds like it’s something he would welcome, and that’s what I was responding to.

    91. kishke Says:
      November 12th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

      Consider too that were the red states ever to form their own country, we could expect the lifting of environmental restrictions on oil and mineral exploration and exploitation on the vast federal lands found in those states. That could be a huge source of revenue for a red-state country, which currently cannot be tapped.

      I wonder too how much of the federal funding that flows to the red states is due to the cost of social services for the great numbers of illegal immigrants in those states, and how much that might be reduced should the borders be closed, as we all know that can be.

      Both these factors might change the equation considerably.

    92. Christopher Says:
      November 12th, 2012 at 8:05 pm

      Yes, what Kyle said. I was just responding to absurd claims.

      I am amused to see this new manifestation of the “If/now that my candidate loses/has lost, I’m going to (move to Canada, etc.).” Silliness.

    93. kishke Says:
      November 12th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

      “Silliness”

      Agreed.

      But imagine the potential revenue from red-state Alaska alone, currently blocked by blue-state lawmakers!

    94. Jeannette Says:
      November 13th, 2012 at 11:41 am

      Reading these comments is a revelation. Republicans will continue to lose because they mix social conservatism with fiscal conservatism. Abortion, same-sex marriage, tirades against immigrants, creationism are dead issues.Forcing candidates to take far right positions on these alienates all of us who are fiscally conservative and social moderates. The anti-intellectual, anti-science attitude is counter productive to improving the economy. Yes, social security and medicare must be restructured. Never designed for people living into 80s/90s. But will one of you free-market capitalists tell me how when business policy is to replace 50+ year old workers because they are too expensive? When are we going to have a serious, unemotional national conversation about death? Medicare costs are primarily in the last 18 months of life. These are issues that must be dealt with rationally if USA is going to cut deficits. Every one of us is a taker of government services on some level. Please get rid of the ideology, name-calling, anger and address problems logically and with reason. Appealing to anger and emotion is the last thing this country needs. And, yes, I am a blue state resident who will probably never vote for a Republican again until the party base stops proposing legislation aimed at creating a state religion.

    95. yankeefan Says:
      November 13th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

      If you change a few words here and there in the post, it could’ve been authored by Rick Hertzberg in 2004, with comments by HuffPo handwringers having Moveon meltdowns.

      The republic will survive. It may even thrive and prosper.

    96. Editor Says:
      November 13th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

      Thanks for the asinine comments, Jeannette. “I won’t vote for Republicans until they’re Democrats!” That’s just my anti-intellectual, anti-science, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, RACIST!, climate-changing-denialist, Zionist, ageist, and just plain stupid thought, right? I especially liked your comment, “When are we going to have a serious, unemotional national conversation about death?” I can hardly wait to have one! That should be very eye-opening for everyone involved!

    97. Editor Says:
      November 13th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

      Hey Christopher –

      If the red states down south didn’t have so many unproductive retirees fleeing their unlivable blue states when they’re too old to be hired by anybody up there, maybe the tax intake/outlay statistics would be a little different! Ever think of that, genius?

      And Union Jack –

      Agriculture is subsidized so that heavily urbanized areas — the blue state strongholds — don’t have to pay the true cost of food to keep them alive!

      THINK, you morons!

    98. Union Jack Says:
      November 13th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

      mr or mrs editor

      am for those subsidies

      as a red—trad definition—I luv socialized red states

      also luv the suthun rebels—scare shit out of blue state plutocrats & their partners in corp crime, the Libs

      also luv secession noise—break up empire from w/in. slavery long over—let the rebel yellers break up the evil empire

    99. Jeaannette Says:
      November 13th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

      Oops, thought somebody on this blog might really care about the country in a rational manner. You made for interesting reading but any hope for uniting the country and real problem-solving is not here.

    100. kishke Says:
      November 13th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

      Agriculture is subsidized so that heavily urbanized areas — the blue state strongholds — don’t have to pay the true cost of food to keep them alive!

      That’s a good point. If true, it means that a good chunk of the tax dollars being transferred from blue to red are not given as subsidies, but simply to pay the blue grocery bill. In other words, the money is actually subsidizing the blue states not the red.

    101. Christopher Says:
      November 13th, 2012 at 9:56 pm

      Editor– You’re amusing. So now your claim is that it must only be the elderly from blue states that have moved to red states who are sucking on the gov’t teat? Are these the same folk responsible for the high rates of teen pregnancy, divorce, etc. in those same states? Is your claim further that the these people (the elderly, presumably well-off if they were able to retire to the south) bucked their demographic trends and voted for Obama (being the few do so in their impeccably red states)? What, indeed, is your point in this pile of idiocy you’ve shat out here? Do you have a single statistic from a reliable source to back any of this up? Are you seriously going to argue that it’s POOR OLD people who can afford to retire to southern states?

      As for the point about agricultural subsidies (which are essentially paid by taxes from the blue states) existing so that the (far more wealthy) blue states can afford to pay for food, this is hilariously wrong. 1) In many cases farmers are paid NOT to grow crops so as to keep prices artificially HIGH. Why? In part for the same reason other farm subsidies exist: because of the structure of our political system, and the electoral college in particular, the votes the heavily agricultural states are worth far more on a per-person vote basis than those in, say, Massachusetts. Few politicians and neither major party wants to piss off Iowa, etc.

      You and Kishke are so absurdly wrong about so many things I’m starting to think you’re a fake posting these things to try to make Republicans look stupid.

    102. Editor Says:
      November 14th, 2012 at 9:29 am

      Christopher, you are absolutely correct!

    103. kishke Says:
      November 14th, 2012 at 10:29 am

      so absurdly wrong about so many things

      I said “if true.” And what else am I wrong about?

    104. Union Jack Says:
      November 15th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

      messianic zionics up to their old tricks in occupied territories

      don’t worry couch-potato-CNN hawks: muslim POTUS will prolly bomb tehran mullahs come jan-feb

      it’s why comedian billy kristol says fine raise taxes on plutocrats

      he & the lobby know bombs will burst in iranian air with obomber at the helm

    105. kishke Says:
      November 15th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

      messianic zionics up to their old tricks in occupied territories

      Yes, those nasty old tricks of self-defense. How dare they.

    106. Union Jack Says:
      November 16th, 2012 at 11:11 am

      kish, self defense—thats commedia

      youve learned your propaganda well. ammuricans in zionic info bubble

      99.9999999 pct of sentient brings on spaceship earth know otherwise

      hey, am a fan of bibi & avi show—theyve wiped folly of 2 STATE SOLUTION(tm) off the map—was a lib/un/NGO fantasyland anyways

      only solution(tm)—1 state

      1 man 1 vote—the last act of the bibi avi show

    107. RJV Says:
      November 16th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

      Our only hope may be that things get so bad over the next 4-10 years and maybe, just maybe people will finally see the light and turn against Liberalism.

    108. Don Reed Says:
      November 17th, 2012 at 2:19 am

      Hi, Kyle. Splendidly written.

      Cheer up. Only half of these responses are crazy. That’s a remarkable success rate for an internet site that anyone can drop in and say hello.

      In fact, it’s more than remarkable. It looks like the success rate for a college football player whose exams have been taken by an academic stand-in. Harrumph! Now, I’m suspicious.

      [Kidding!]

      At any rate, the Full Moon postings are nothing, compared to the alternatives.

      Some day, tune into the horse racing venues, DRF or The Paulick Report (wait until some silly scandal explodes).

      Now, THAT’S Ding-A-Ling city.

      Ask your colleague Ed Fountaine what it’s been like to make a living in the loony bin for the past two decades. He’ll tell you that some of the people there are so far advanced in adapting to their environment, its possible for them to be able to answer a telephone while still being restrained in their straightjackets.

      My thanks to the 50% of the posters who contributed interesting ideas to think about. I am in your debt, which makes me Greece, I guess.

    109. kishke Says:
      November 18th, 2012 at 10:06 am

      kish, self defense—thats commedia
      youve learned your propaganda

      No, no joke at all. My 80 year old aunt and uncle are running for the shelter a few times a day. Hundreds of rockets have been fired over the last few days alone. Should they just continue to ignore it?

    110. Union Jack Says:
      November 19th, 2012 at 3:59 am

      the commedia is the self defense

      not your grandparents running to shelters

    111. kishke Says:
      November 19th, 2012 at 9:53 am

      The two are inseparable. It is self-defense b/c their rockets make life intolerable for the inhabitants of the southern towns, and now even for the major city of Tel Aviv. It is self-defense because people have been killed and wounded by these rockets, three most recently, one a pregnant woman. Why do you maintain it is not self-defense?

    112. Micha Elyi Says:
      November 19th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

      There’s already a political party of small government aficionados whose members have dumped the social conservative agenda, the Libertarian Party.

      Giving up justice for the unborn hasn’t done wonders for their vote totals, has it?

    113. Union Jack Says:
      November 20th, 2012 at 4:42 am

      both sides claim self defense(tm), ragheads against colonial settler state

      how far do u want to roll the culpability videotape kish? rags roll back to the nakhbar

      i view with benign neglect and await inevitable solution(tm)

      1state solution(tm)

      all roads lead there

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