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By Kyle | September 29, 2009
Eagle-eyed John Nolte does an invaluable service in gathering all the nitwittery flying around the case of Roman Polanski. If Hollywood likes you for one reason or another, you can do no wrong when it comes to sex. Drugging and raping a little girl? No big deal.
Topics: Europe, Movies, Politics |
September 29th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
It’s disgusting, isn’t it?
It reminds me of the sentiment in the NFL towards Michael Vick.
You hear the “he did his time” and “hasn’t he suffered enough” reasons so many times that you are portraying this lowlife as a victim who willfully and thoughtfully killed dogs in the most cruel & unusual methods imaginable.
I hate to evoke a quote from a neo-nazi film character, but it reminds me of Ed Norton in “American History X” talking about Rodney King. Everyone latches onto the “victim” aspect of somebody getting “picked on” and suddenly it’s, and I quote, “Hands Across America for this total son of a bitch.”
September 29th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Polanski is an artiste, and therefore not subject to your bourgeoisie laws
September 29th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
First, Polanski is a scumbag. That being said, if I were a resident of LA County I would question the use of hundreds of thousands of dollars to prosecute him when the guy has served some (not enough) time, the victim has been compensated and forgiven him and he’s not re-offended (that we know of). He’s already plead guilty — he’ll fly to L.A. and do another month or so and that will be that or the judge will bang the gavel and say “time served” and he’ll pay restitution to the state. There’s just a better use of L.A. County resources that better serves current public safety needs — as much as I hate to say that.
That being said… the defense of him on “moral” grounds or because he had a hard time is bullshit frankly.
Second… Michael Vick served his time and needs to be back in the NFL. In our society we’re not supposed to stand on people’s necks for the rest of their life. If you don’t think that then get your legislator to make killing mere animals (as opposed to people) a life offense. I recommend you go visit a prison or 5 — I mean a real tour not the “just visiting” room. 2 years in Leavenworth is hardly “light” punishment.
Third… Dude blackhawk… come back to Cold Mountain.
September 30th, 2009 at 8:31 am
First, Polanski is a scumbag. That being said, if I were a resident of LA County I would question the use of hundreds of thousands of dollars to prosecute him when the guy has served some (not enough) time, the victim has been compensated and forgiven him and he’s not re-offended (that we know of). He’s already plead guilty — he’ll fly to L.A. and do another month or so and that will be that or the judge will bang the gavel and say “time served” and he’ll pay restitution to the state. There’s just a better use of L.A. County resources that better serves current public safety needs — as much as I hate to say that.
That being said… the defense of him on “moral” grounds or because he had a hard time is crap frankly.
Second… Michael Vick served his time and needs to be back in the NFL. In our society we’re not supposed to stand on people’s necks for the rest of their life. If you don’t think that then get your legislator to make killing mere animals (as opposed to people) a life offense. I recommend you go visit a prison or 5 — I mean a real tour not the “just visiting” room. 2 years in Leavenworth is hardly “light” punishment.
Third… Dude blackhawk… come back to Cold Mountain.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:03 am
and just to clarify…. I imagine LA will spend the money to push this… and I think that’s great, but I won’t be surprised if he gets time served. The guilty plea he made was basically for time served and the judge (a publicity-seeking hound in his won right) threw a wrench in the works. Odds are he’ll get the same or a similar deal which may include the time he’s currently serving in a Zurich jail.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:32 am
RE: Floyd
I think the problem here is that you believe that Michael Vick committed a normal crime that is worthy of a normal prison sentence.
Michael Vick did not just run an illegal gambling enterprise.
He committed truly psychotic acts and should be in a mental institution, let alone a practice facility.
People talk about this man like we persecute him as if he accidentally hit a dog with his truck.
This is a man who would take the losing dogs and do such things as:
A. Drowning them with his bare hands
B. Dumping water on them to electrocute them
C. Hanging them by the neck with wire
D. Slamming them into the concrete face first until bloody & dead
Look into the histories of almost any serial killer and I guarantee they have the torturing of innocent animals in their background.
Put it this way: Say you’re running a dog-fighting business and need to kill the dogs who “don’t make the cut”. Wouldn’t it make the most sense to shoot them with a silencer and get it done in the neatest way possible?
You kill those dogs in such cruel & unusual ways because you WANT to do it that way. No other reason.
This slime should not be in society.
I find it hard to believe if I went to jail for 2 years and had the tortures and murders of several animals on my resume that my accounting job would be waiting for me when I return.
September 30th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Does anyone else find the irony in Woody Allen rushing to his defense?
September 30th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Maybe they went double-dating? To the Middle School prom?
September 30th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Robert P… your job would be — or a job in your profession would be — somewhere depending on how deeply they do background checks.
Look I don’t like what Vick did and I think and believe that we should be good stewards and kind to animals, etc. But dogs ain’t people to paraphrase Lena Lamont. Maybe he deserved more time, but under our laws and system he got what he got. Now we can continually stigmatize offenders and insure they re-offend and never reintegrate or we can punish them and aid them in getting on with their lives.
All he can do is apologize — and try to live a good life. Why would I begrudge him that? He’s not unrepentant so far as I can tell (and of course time will tell)
“Murder” — I really hate to nitpick… but murder is reserved for humans. One murders humans. One kills animals. There are justified and unjustified ways of killing both, but the standards never have been, aren’t now, and never should be the same. The distinction is important and telling.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Woody… Roman… birds of a feather. Just keep them away from Dakota Fanning’s mother.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:16 am
RE: Floyd
1) A very simple criminal background check (which any respectable firm would do) would show your prison time for animal torturing/murders.
2) I think it’s more in the context.
I personally just believe that having the ability to take an innocent creature and kill it in such painful, cruel, unusual ways when a quicker, neater way easily could suffice means that something is simply malfunctioned in your brain and can never be cured.
I don’t even want to say he deserved more jail time. He probably deserved 2 years under psychiatric care in a mental ward.
I don’t want this to come off wrong, but when you think about it, unless you are psychotic, a murder can at least be understood. Not CONDONED, but understood.
A guy kills his wife because she cheated on him and he went into a bloody rage.
Is it right? Of course not. Should he be punished? Absolutely.
However, we understand why he snapped like that, at the very least.
To take an innocent dog and take pleasure in slamming it into the concrete takes a seriously mentally ill and endlessly cruel human being.
To hear people defend him just absolutely boggles my mind.
Sell me on defending Plaxico Burress. Sell me on defending Donte Stallworth. Even sell me on defending O.J. Simpson.
Michael Vick is secretly worse than all of the above.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Back to the pedophile, Nolte missed this choice bit of idiocy from Whoopi Goldberg:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/roman-polanski/6245219/Roman-Polanski-backlash-as-Whoopi-Goldberg-says-director-didnt-commit-rape-rape.html
I was once trapped in a barber shop with The View playing on TV. Most painful haircut I ever suffered through.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Whoopi is certifiable. All Roman did was drug and sodomize a 13 year old. What’s the big deal, sheesh. It’s not rape rape. I want her to define “rape rape”.
September 30th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Robert P. — I don’t think he took pleasure in doing it — I don’t even think he gave it a second thought because he saw a dog as an “it” and not as a “creature” — meaning the product of a Creator much less some anthrpomorphized dog/child that so many use today for animal rights.
I don’t want to live in a world where OJ Simpson can get some “understanding” for turning two people into Pez dispensers (I’ve seen the photos — gruesome doesn’t even begin), but a dog killer (not murderer). That’s whack plain and simple. I understand the sentiment, but it’s just that sentiment.
An argument can be made for Vick’s mental health obviously, but I guarantee you he was raised in an environment where dogs were “means” and not “ends”… never had a pet or any contact with animals.
Most people who harm animals — the overwhelming majority — in the 90%s NEVER harm people. That’s a fact. “Serial killers” are exceedingly rare in the criminal spectrum and while most serial killer have hurt animals the obverse of that is most decidedly not the case.
I’m really not trying to justify what he did. It was evil, wrong, sick, etc. I just think he was adequately punished and in any case he has served his debt and the word “discharge” should have real meaning — meaning he doesn’t owe us anything else. If he never hurts another animal and spreads info to others that dog fighting is evil then what else can he do? Keeping him on the fringes of society helps no one at all.
September 30th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
RE: Floyd
I understand the concept of paying your debt and getting a second chance.
I’m not a monster.
Also, I want to clarify, when I say “understanding” of O.J. Simpson I am not implying a SHRED of sensitivity for that lowlife.
He murdered 2 innocent people in cold blood and deserved punishment.
What I’m saying is that logically I can understand the process of a man flipping out because his wife was about to do drugs and have sex with another man while his kids were sleeping upstairs.
I logically can not understand the necessity to slam a dog face-first into the concrete unless you simply enjoy it and/or get off on it.
I’m also not saying serial killers are running around as a significant part of the population, but it does have significance to me that Vick’s crime is so heavily associated with serial killers. It’s psychotic to kill animals in the way that Michael Vick did.
Now, here is where I agree:
I understand he was raised to believe that animals were these “things” that could be disposed of like trash.
Here is where we differ:
If Michael Vick had killed all those dogs with a gun, quickly and neatly, I would obviously not like this, but I could understand the logic.
He was raised by scumbags and turned out to be a scumbag.
However, to mutilate those dogs and cause them to have the most painful, drawn-out deaths for fun says to me that this is a seriously cruel, sick individual.
I am a lifelong Buffalo Bills fan and if this man ever put on a Bills uniform I would drop my team that day.